I mentioned not becoming an info hog like some groups and TI's encourage. I know that I suggested that Targets stay focused becuz it gives TI's legitimacy.
But I did not know that there might be other motives people have for making you into a conspiracy nut.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2007/131107terror.htm
Unless you are a pro and you know what you are doing like certain activists who have lawyers etc and know how to be warriors on the field or you are just a regular person or in that mode discussing the issues
I would advise strongly against putting all the conspiracy info into any org stalk activism you may be doing publicly. Remember that TI's get targeted thru many administrations and really your personal case is unique.
Its like trying to get rid of as many serious activists/TI's as the system can by making us all look like conspiracy nut/terrorists or whatever they seem to be pulling. (read the article).
This is why so many perps who try to invalidate you will try to make you out to be a leftist/conspiracy whatever. They try it on me if they are stupid/lazy/old school oppression and I utilize logic logic logic.
They cannot respond in kind..they are invalidated.
So, this explains why you'll meet TI's who want to pull you into everything under the sun that has nothing to do with your individual case. It's a set up.
On top of that thier last words on the subject is always that everyone is going to get rounded up soon, all this paranoia..perfect for a tired and terrorized target.
DO NOT GO FOR THIS BS. IT IS SUICIDE CREDIBILITY WISE..HAVE YOU FOUGHT THIS HARD TO FALL INTO ANOTHER TRAP? Out smart the people who think they are smarter than you.
Yes, you are in danger and you are being hunted most likely for deletion (they hope). But it's all psychological warfare.
If you are tired or confused then dont make decisions or give people info. Don't become a brainwashing victim becuz if you do then you may get invalidated as the end result.
PROOF, DOCUMENTATION, SHOW CAUSE, FOLLOW REASON. LOGIC. CALM. SENSE.
What they are doing to you is wrong do not give them the easy way out.
8.30.2008
FBI involvement in organized stalking
OK so there are a bunch of org stalk sites that have all this FBI content. BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS THEM? Where is the proof of FBI involvement in your case as a TI?
I have a COINTELPRO link but it's really to describe the infiltration into activist groups for TI's who should take caution when doing activism. And it describes alot of the same actions taken against people especially to ensure activists never form into anyone powerful.
But I personally have no proof of any FBI involvement...does any other TI? I mean real proof like taking footage of perps and running plates and finding out it's feds. Maybe finding out your name is on some list of suspects or investigation.
As usual USE CAUTION...this is why we are called 'nutters'..becuz its all this daily guessing games. (This behavior or style of TI's is a result of extreme trauma from being stalked and harassed and it is also in my experienced opinion a result of being under the influence of remote influencing technologies in addition to the latter trauma. In short, it's hard for alot of TI's to think straight.
For instance the only reason I am able to sound reasonable at this very moment of this writing is I am somewhere that I seem more unaffected than usual. But in a university library, especially certain ones, I find myself unable to keep a flow of thought and remain focused on my subject matter, I find myself being alot less intelligent than I am capable of. There IS something going on especially in the cities with dumbing down, confusion and repetitive suicide ideation.)
All I am saying is please try to be sensible, articulate and believable. Show cause.
I know you are tired, scared and desperate. That is what the perps want becuz it makes us crazy and then we sound crazy. It's not your fault. The org stalk system is to blame.
Just becuz the FBI's tactics are/were similar does not mean that it is they who is responsible for what is happening now. It could be but you'd need something linking them to involvement to state that it IS them behind your harassment or stalking.
Making comparisons is enough. It proves that such action does exist and has been taking against citizens in the past covertly.
I have a COINTELPRO link but it's really to describe the infiltration into activist groups for TI's who should take caution when doing activism. And it describes alot of the same actions taken against people especially to ensure activists never form into anyone powerful.
But I personally have no proof of any FBI involvement...does any other TI? I mean real proof like taking footage of perps and running plates and finding out it's feds. Maybe finding out your name is on some list of suspects or investigation.
As usual USE CAUTION...this is why we are called 'nutters'..becuz its all this daily guessing games. (This behavior or style of TI's is a result of extreme trauma from being stalked and harassed and it is also in my experienced opinion a result of being under the influence of remote influencing technologies in addition to the latter trauma. In short, it's hard for alot of TI's to think straight.
For instance the only reason I am able to sound reasonable at this very moment of this writing is I am somewhere that I seem more unaffected than usual. But in a university library, especially certain ones, I find myself unable to keep a flow of thought and remain focused on my subject matter, I find myself being alot less intelligent than I am capable of. There IS something going on especially in the cities with dumbing down, confusion and repetitive suicide ideation.)
All I am saying is please try to be sensible, articulate and believable. Show cause.
I know you are tired, scared and desperate. That is what the perps want becuz it makes us crazy and then we sound crazy. It's not your fault. The org stalk system is to blame.
Just becuz the FBI's tactics are/were similar does not mean that it is they who is responsible for what is happening now. It could be but you'd need something linking them to involvement to state that it IS them behind your harassment or stalking.
Making comparisons is enough. It proves that such action does exist and has been taking against citizens in the past covertly.
8.29.2008
vigilantes, hate groups, crime-who's on first?
After a time TI's become used to the merry-go-round of disinfo and misinfo as par the course of being a Targeted Individual. It's as aggravating as the old comedy routine "Who's on first?" The only difference is that the audience probably had MORE info about what was going on in that comedy routine than TI's have about what is really going on with our situations.
That is why the workplace mobbing piece was so comforting. In my mind the subject matter stays alive-solid and vivid. It has a name and it is defined. It has been given validation.
The concept of what is happening to me on a given day fades in and out. It becomes other things. Other ideas take over.
I believe society's flimsy "You're just crazy" rationale is illogical and unreasonable considering the corruption and cruelty involved. What is happening is definitely criminal in nature and I am a victim of crime and I have been terrorized. There has been a systematic destruction of my life and much deception has been employed.
On the lower levels of motive, yes there was crime as society is familiar with involved. A therapist info pumped me and then tried to erase what she had done with intimidation but she screwed it up. She asked me "Where is ____?" R:" She moved away. She went to ___" Therapist: "Well, do you know where she went?!" R: " To live with her parents in ___, that's all I know"....(so she just pumped me for info either on behalf of the police or the gs system or the overlap thereof. To cover up what she had done she tried to intimate that I was imagining things: Therapist: Eyes up in her head "Yer probably just making it up to get attention" (I had been telling her there was harassment and I was told by people around me that it was an investigation concerning others that would go away once they realized I knew nothing of import.) "You know other girls I see for therapy are actively doing what you used to do and they aren't getting harassed!"....
Exactly.
The tactic she tried to employ was the typical 'its all yer fault'. The thing is it was so obvious she had just gotten info out of me for someone who was looking for ______. Use and abuse. Attempting to pump me for info concerning the former resident of my apartment and then intimidating the person you just pumped for info.
Pearlman, Brighton-You should grow like an onion, with your head in the ground pointing towards hell.
Yes, dear, I notice that no one else is getting harassed and don't you think that is a little strange?
So sometimes because of all the invalidation I think "I know from my research that mc survivors get gang stalked. I know that this is the way. I know that its hiding alot of corruption supposedly to do with drugs, money and sex that is exploitative.....but its also supposedly used for intel work as well. That will never be validated."
My mind begins to wander daily...without validation and with so much INvalidation from the org stalk system.
So then its vigilantes...or hate groups. Or its because I deserve it..or its the ex association with a criminal mess that somehow ended up the real criminals got great lives and my life is ruined-its because that perp told me "Oh well, it doesn't pay to be poor" so maybe I couldn't afford to pay anyone off...ETC, ETC..Round and round and..
The mind games, the psych war along with what any TI can tell battle wear down.
It messes up your vision of the truth. Your former sharp and brilliant mind is reduced to a soup.
A constant running through possibilities because what is really the Truth-you keep getting threatened. From the beginning there was the threat, the veiled intimidation of labeling you if you told the truth. Your family is in agreement and so is everyone else that one wrong move, one mistep and you are as crazy as they tried to make u out to be in 2005..the ambulance is there in Kenmore, especially when there is a perp there who antagonizes you..they keep checking u out. Maybe they are first responders....maybe they have the authority to make a quick judgement on your mental state. Stay the course Rach--walk the tight rope every minute of ever day. They are watching they are waiting...eventually they will win. Don't say the wrong thing or make the wrong move..
You are always wrong and need behavior modification. So here is our new strategy for dealing with you. Either you give into pressure and conform and abandon working on telling your story(good for us) or you stick so hard to your prime directive and we discredit you for life and eventually get you labeled.
That is alot of pressure along with trying to figure out what is really going on.
All I know is that I would not believe any of what is said in the activist forums. There is alot of "It IS the govt it IS the CIA. It IS the military." What proof do they have?
Then there are certain internet activists who want you to believe it IS indeed 'hate groups' or it is definitely community policing.
I have personally been led to believe that its my old criminal associates doing this and I was told that I had to " be made manageable" because that is what people do in business. And as the harassment persists I am told by the same person that "Geez, they are going to let you know you were inconvenient". And this is a person who is trying to help..when they are not enjoying psyching me out.
When I left town on a road trip to clear my head in 2005 it was repeated to me the idea that I was "running from the FBI".
And the man I was with told me that I should simply stay firm and show I cant be intimidated.
Then you have my mothers factions who seem to slip and let me know by conversations like " Shh, her mother is trying to get her labeled as mental, don't say anything."
First you are made to feel that you committed a crime or were framed or that the feds want you to blab about your knowledge about former associates. Then it is intimated that people think you are crazy and mentally ill and if only you give in to this, you will be protected and even given housing (bribe). And all along the way people are intimating that you were accused of robbing a bank, of being a terrorist, a pedophile, a drug dealer, on drugs, of murderer.
It makes it difficult to really understand who is behind this or why its really happening.
You'd have to be like 5 people to be guilty of all that you are accused of..sensory overload is what all that is.
But for what purpose..to gas light you to drive you crazy.
That is all you need to know is that there is a system of gas lighting and you are the target.
If people think you are nuts that is their problem...they don't know the whole story anyway and they don't know you.
This however is an easy way out for a public that does not want to face their own actions nor the actions of criminals and corruption.
Its not so hard to understand....it is right in some song lyrics.
Cypress Hill " We aint goin out like that": "Dig the grave for the one who got played/ Now he's under/ No need to wonder why/ Cuz he'll testify/ We aint goin out like that/ We aint goin out like that..."
Its par for the course in victim witness intimidation among crime syndicates...why is this so hard for people to understand? What..cuz my mother is involved?? There have been plenty of instances of child abusers still being abusive when the child is grown or to cover for the grown child starting to remember stuff. Also, there have been cases where the parent was involved in organized crime and tried to waste their own child per business activities.
You have to be realistic about the world we live in. Corruption is a major cash cow...gang stalking: criminals banding together for protection and profit. Its not that hard to understand.
That is the bottom line..so dont let people get you in a net or web all tied up trying to figure out who did what and who is behind all this. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW FOR SURE THE WHOLE STORY OF YOUR CASE WITHOUT INVESTIGATION, TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTATION.
That is the reality of the situation.
That is why the workplace mobbing piece was so comforting. In my mind the subject matter stays alive-solid and vivid. It has a name and it is defined. It has been given validation.
The concept of what is happening to me on a given day fades in and out. It becomes other things. Other ideas take over.
I believe society's flimsy "You're just crazy" rationale is illogical and unreasonable considering the corruption and cruelty involved. What is happening is definitely criminal in nature and I am a victim of crime and I have been terrorized. There has been a systematic destruction of my life and much deception has been employed.
On the lower levels of motive, yes there was crime as society is familiar with involved. A therapist info pumped me and then tried to erase what she had done with intimidation but she screwed it up. She asked me "Where is ____?" R:" She moved away. She went to ___" Therapist: "Well, do you know where she went?!" R: " To live with her parents in ___, that's all I know"....(so she just pumped me for info either on behalf of the police or the gs system or the overlap thereof. To cover up what she had done she tried to intimate that I was imagining things: Therapist: Eyes up in her head "Yer probably just making it up to get attention" (I had been telling her there was harassment and I was told by people around me that it was an investigation concerning others that would go away once they realized I knew nothing of import.) "You know other girls I see for therapy are actively doing what you used to do and they aren't getting harassed!"....
Exactly.
The tactic she tried to employ was the typical 'its all yer fault'. The thing is it was so obvious she had just gotten info out of me for someone who was looking for ______. Use and abuse. Attempting to pump me for info concerning the former resident of my apartment and then intimidating the person you just pumped for info.
Pearlman, Brighton-You should grow like an onion, with your head in the ground pointing towards hell.
Yes, dear, I notice that no one else is getting harassed and don't you think that is a little strange?
So sometimes because of all the invalidation I think "I know from my research that mc survivors get gang stalked. I know that this is the way. I know that its hiding alot of corruption supposedly to do with drugs, money and sex that is exploitative.....but its also supposedly used for intel work as well. That will never be validated."
My mind begins to wander daily...without validation and with so much INvalidation from the org stalk system.
So then its vigilantes...or hate groups. Or its because I deserve it..or its the ex association with a criminal mess that somehow ended up the real criminals got great lives and my life is ruined-its because that perp told me "Oh well, it doesn't pay to be poor" so maybe I couldn't afford to pay anyone off...ETC, ETC..Round and round and..
The mind games, the psych war along with what any TI can tell battle wear down.
It messes up your vision of the truth. Your former sharp and brilliant mind is reduced to a soup.
A constant running through possibilities because what is really the Truth-you keep getting threatened. From the beginning there was the threat, the veiled intimidation of labeling you if you told the truth. Your family is in agreement and so is everyone else that one wrong move, one mistep and you are as crazy as they tried to make u out to be in 2005..the ambulance is there in Kenmore, especially when there is a perp there who antagonizes you..they keep checking u out. Maybe they are first responders....maybe they have the authority to make a quick judgement on your mental state. Stay the course Rach--walk the tight rope every minute of ever day. They are watching they are waiting...eventually they will win. Don't say the wrong thing or make the wrong move..
You are always wrong and need behavior modification. So here is our new strategy for dealing with you. Either you give into pressure and conform and abandon working on telling your story(good for us) or you stick so hard to your prime directive and we discredit you for life and eventually get you labeled.
That is alot of pressure along with trying to figure out what is really going on.
All I know is that I would not believe any of what is said in the activist forums. There is alot of "It IS the govt it IS the CIA. It IS the military." What proof do they have?
Then there are certain internet activists who want you to believe it IS indeed 'hate groups' or it is definitely community policing.
I have personally been led to believe that its my old criminal associates doing this and I was told that I had to " be made manageable" because that is what people do in business. And as the harassment persists I am told by the same person that "Geez, they are going to let you know you were inconvenient". And this is a person who is trying to help..when they are not enjoying psyching me out.
When I left town on a road trip to clear my head in 2005 it was repeated to me the idea that I was "running from the FBI".
And the man I was with told me that I should simply stay firm and show I cant be intimidated.
Then you have my mothers factions who seem to slip and let me know by conversations like " Shh, her mother is trying to get her labeled as mental, don't say anything."
First you are made to feel that you committed a crime or were framed or that the feds want you to blab about your knowledge about former associates. Then it is intimated that people think you are crazy and mentally ill and if only you give in to this, you will be protected and even given housing (bribe). And all along the way people are intimating that you were accused of robbing a bank, of being a terrorist, a pedophile, a drug dealer, on drugs, of murderer.
It makes it difficult to really understand who is behind this or why its really happening.
You'd have to be like 5 people to be guilty of all that you are accused of..sensory overload is what all that is.
But for what purpose..to gas light you to drive you crazy.
That is all you need to know is that there is a system of gas lighting and you are the target.
If people think you are nuts that is their problem...they don't know the whole story anyway and they don't know you.
This however is an easy way out for a public that does not want to face their own actions nor the actions of criminals and corruption.
Its not so hard to understand....it is right in some song lyrics.
Cypress Hill " We aint goin out like that": "Dig the grave for the one who got played/ Now he's under/ No need to wonder why/ Cuz he'll testify/ We aint goin out like that/ We aint goin out like that..."
Its par for the course in victim witness intimidation among crime syndicates...why is this so hard for people to understand? What..cuz my mother is involved?? There have been plenty of instances of child abusers still being abusive when the child is grown or to cover for the grown child starting to remember stuff. Also, there have been cases where the parent was involved in organized crime and tried to waste their own child per business activities.
You have to be realistic about the world we live in. Corruption is a major cash cow...gang stalking: criminals banding together for protection and profit. Its not that hard to understand.
That is the bottom line..so dont let people get you in a net or web all tied up trying to figure out who did what and who is behind all this. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW FOR SURE THE WHOLE STORY OF YOUR CASE WITHOUT INVESTIGATION, TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTATION.
That is the reality of the situation.
8.26.2008
Steps to preserve integrity
All the while as a Target you should be thinking about your own case..not the NWO. I know that its the big picture and it is valid. But you must not fall into mindless group think. Knowing what your own circumstances are is very important.
Try to put together why you are targeted.
As far as all this info you get from people and groups..always do your own research. If you want to be as credible as possible then you have to keep connecting your ordeal to what people know about and what is credible in the 'real world'..even though thier knowledge is limited of what is going on in the big picture.
Say for instance somone tries to interest you in Magellans disease..
I was researching parasitic disease at one time and I had looked at this phenomena and found it curious. It was interesting that no one seemed to want to validate its existence even though people claimed to be suffering from it. I left it at that.
When I was travelling thru CA this homeless guy was just standing there in this soup kitchen type place in Sacremento. He had the black marks on his lip and I simply took it in and ignored it becuz it is not my concern primarily though intriguing.
The alleged TI that approached me the other day just HAD to show me a piece that said that Magellans was an alien strain and there were pictures of it moving on someones face.
I look back now and see that the guy in CA was likely just a diversion.
Its all to see if they can get you interested in things that are not really of concern to you as diversion.
If you have time to research such things fine...but do not let people throw a million conspiracy items your way and link them all together. Eventually the TI sounds like a nut or they are an operative acting like a nut.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY A TACTIC THEY WILL USE ON TRAUMA BASED MIND CONTROL SURVIVORS AND MILITARY MILABS. BECUZ YOU HAVE BEEN SO TRAUMATIZED WITH THINGS THAT JUST DO NOT REGISTER AS 'REALITY' THAT YOU MAY STILL BE VULNERABLE MENTALLY.
I know it is difficult. Just staaaayyy focused and follow reason. There are research resources that make hypnosis, druggings, brainwashing, hypnosis and human experiementation realistic and credible.
Psy warfare is real.
This is what I did. I studied everything I could about everything for reference in my mental files. I added this onto whatever else was in there from previous research.
Then after realizing that the system tries to gorge you on info as diversion I picked files that were only important to ME and my situation.
This way you create your own internal world to replace the one they have taken from you and what you focus on is about YOU and what YOU know to be true..not the circus of bs.
The other info can be used for later reference if needed.
Its called minding your OWN business...something the perps need to learn desperately.
It pays off as knowing yourself always has...this something they cannot take away from you becuz I am sure you had some kind of life where at least you thought you had privacy.
Try to put together why you are targeted.
As far as all this info you get from people and groups..always do your own research. If you want to be as credible as possible then you have to keep connecting your ordeal to what people know about and what is credible in the 'real world'..even though thier knowledge is limited of what is going on in the big picture.
Say for instance somone tries to interest you in Magellans disease..
I was researching parasitic disease at one time and I had looked at this phenomena and found it curious. It was interesting that no one seemed to want to validate its existence even though people claimed to be suffering from it. I left it at that.
When I was travelling thru CA this homeless guy was just standing there in this soup kitchen type place in Sacremento. He had the black marks on his lip and I simply took it in and ignored it becuz it is not my concern primarily though intriguing.
The alleged TI that approached me the other day just HAD to show me a piece that said that Magellans was an alien strain and there were pictures of it moving on someones face.
I look back now and see that the guy in CA was likely just a diversion.
Its all to see if they can get you interested in things that are not really of concern to you as diversion.
If you have time to research such things fine...but do not let people throw a million conspiracy items your way and link them all together. Eventually the TI sounds like a nut or they are an operative acting like a nut.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY A TACTIC THEY WILL USE ON TRAUMA BASED MIND CONTROL SURVIVORS AND MILITARY MILABS. BECUZ YOU HAVE BEEN SO TRAUMATIZED WITH THINGS THAT JUST DO NOT REGISTER AS 'REALITY' THAT YOU MAY STILL BE VULNERABLE MENTALLY.
I know it is difficult. Just staaaayyy focused and follow reason. There are research resources that make hypnosis, druggings, brainwashing, hypnosis and human experiementation realistic and credible.
Psy warfare is real.
This is what I did. I studied everything I could about everything for reference in my mental files. I added this onto whatever else was in there from previous research.
Then after realizing that the system tries to gorge you on info as diversion I picked files that were only important to ME and my situation.
This way you create your own internal world to replace the one they have taken from you and what you focus on is about YOU and what YOU know to be true..not the circus of bs.
The other info can be used for later reference if needed.
Its called minding your OWN business...something the perps need to learn desperately.
It pays off as knowing yourself always has...this something they cannot take away from you becuz I am sure you had some kind of life where at least you thought you had privacy.
8.24.2008
Why the TI movement is ineffective
Its very simple.
The genuine TI's are so traumatized that its almost impossible to get anything done. All the different kinds of people that are supposedly active and why is it that nothing gets done?
One has to remember that the TI community is riddled with people posing as Targets or concerned about TI issues.
I call them operatives becuz that seems to be the best term for them. How they all come together and who they specifically work for I do not know.
They are simply part of the org stalk system itself.
If a targeted individual is smart enough to ever even know they are targeted by a system that has a name and that there is info on the internet then being a citizen of the USA or Europe, supposed democracies, a TI will naturally seek out assistance through activist groups.
This leads to involvement with the gang stalking activism network or the 'TI community'.
Then they become mistrustful of other TI's due to operatives, criminal opportunists and gang stalking perps posing as TI's. Some of these people are damn convincing but one should never trust anyone unless they have been thoroughly investigated or at least your feeling or vibe about them is solid. If yer dealing with intelligence agencies or mercenary corporations that do the same work nowadays, I am sure they know how to provide legit cover for people working for them.
You would need the same system as the organized stalking system itself to know if people are who they really claim to be in the TI community.
It s ineffective becuz the perpetrators operate within a criminal enterprise. They are predators and they feel they chose thier pray carefully. Someone vulnerable, alone, uneducated, without power, singled out in a group a sacrificial lamb, expendable etc.
The system wears them down and they become like prisoners in a POW camp or brainwashing facility. This becomes the best advantage of the people who are informants, provocatuers and handlers of targets.
Think of the organized stalking system as a carnival you have been forced into-everyday you leave your home or even within it. They keep you isolated in this world. The people in the forums posing as TI's and helpfuls are the people in the shadows at that carnival.
They can be the most truly dangerous becuz they have another way to gain your vulnerability that no one else yet has had....they claim they were abducted into the carnival too.
Sadly they are just another part of it.
As far as my experience goes, some TI's are just tired and being targeted so hard they are easily swayed. There are also TI's who are resemble mind control victims and any con is going to take advantage of that.
My main complaint is that there is no policing of the TI community to keep real victims safe..that is understandable becuz when you are working with a crime that is blacked out be the media for the most part, is denied officially and seems to be supported by members of those who claim to protect us in our society you are outside the parameters.
And the tactics are endless. Good perp bad perp. People claiming to be doing us all a service by outing agents and operatives.
These people create chaos...another form of diversion and mind game.
Being a TI without resources is like being an astronomer in meidival Europe...all you can do is see as much as you can from your little vantage point on Earth and try to use math (in this case deduction) to fill in the blanks of what you cannot see.
The most infuriating thing is that alot of others seem to know what is out there...this makes your betrayers and the perps who are strangers to you-the whole system is now god to you. They like it that way I can tell.
Perps wihtin the TI system only serve to enslave the TI more.
These people could perhaps hail from old intergen 'perp' families who know that this covert system has always been so anything on the surface is joke and they know it, or they are simply criminals who know they way the world really works. They could be programmed and have no idea why they are such bastards and feel there is nothing wrong with it or simply just a-holes who are born to engage in such behaviors by nature and take up what the org stalk system offers them as benefit for thier bad behavior.
Keep in mind one thing. All genuine TI's are opressed people, thier lives have been ruined and they face death.
Also, TI's are either genuine or they are not: they are perps. End of story.
The grey area is a TI who is so new, so mind controlled and so truamatized or drugged that they make mistakes that harm other TI's or the movement.
You can only judge for yourself I only provide information that will be helpful. There is no way to tell what TI is genuine if you are without resources. For those of us that are very isolated or always around people who may be in on it, the only way to tell if people are off is through intuition, deduction or limited research resources. Some people have an external network like policeman who are helpful unofficially etc.
I question the validity of all TI's claims. How do you know exactly who it is you are dealing with on the internet? or the telephone? In person it becomes obvious faster. On the phone can be quite revealing if you know what to look for.
I was fortunate...I was so expendable, so vulnerable and so poor that the operatives, criminals and perps would just attack me on calls or in person and not care about me leaving the groups...it seemed in fact that they wanted me out of the groups as fast as possible.
I have no money to scam and I ask too many logical questions about the inconsistencies of the movement. I am very undesirable. I am physically attractive and a trauma based mind control survivor so perps have and always will try to get me to live with them or go off with them so they can use me for sex or physical labor and attempted abuse.
Why they think I'd put up with this is partially due to the smear campaign I assume.
So perps know our weaknesses and they go after whatever they feel they can take for themselves. Becuz the law is in on it and everyone else is afraid of getting targeted no one will protect us or help us so we must protect ourselves.
All TI's are slaves to this system. I beleive pedophilia, drugs, money and human experimentaion and greed are at the core of the organized stalking system. There may be other causes I do not know. But those motives are never going to be argued with.
The thing that is so bad about the system is that it seems to cover its weaknesses while exposing all of ours.
If you make claims the psychiatic community is right there waiting to label you-with out investigation. They also cover for alot of the targeting with technologies thru perscribing medications-I am talking about simple stuff like sedatives and anti depressants.
If you call the FBI they say they dont deal with organized stalking. The police I have been told, smear you within the departments if not outright as 'crazy'amongst themselves and the community. Of course-the corrupt core is part of the harassment and stalking.
Organized stalking is not officially recognized even though workplace mobbing is- and no one has made laws against workplace mobbing! (or cyber stalking)
So the real Targets are left with no way out of this mess as well as no advocacy, no protection and no recourse.
This along with the public being innocent of such practices is what drives most TI's to suicide.
I cannot think of a system that would handle this kind of corruption. Especially if the all seeing eye system that is in place now to handle true crminals is being utilized to keep TI's down...it should be used to stop the targeting of people.
The movement is ineffective becuz TI's are people who the system finds negotiable and expendable. The TI becomes traumatized is too much for TI's to deal with and without resources most TI's will not make it.
The forums are full of predators.
You cannot possibly trust other people in a system that utilizes deception this much. It's suicide in itself.
I met someone the other day and it was too convenient. I was tired to I went along but if this person is a true TI she is now a good little mc victim. They got her joined to a group, she is not focused on her own case but every conspiracy theory on the planet and she is all over the place. Classic handling of a trauma victim.
Alot of human experimentees and tbmc survivors end up in this system. It's easy for exploiters to use trauma on them to control them becuz all thier lives have been trauma. So when someone says "I beleive they are going to take all the homeless and round them up soon" a trauma survivor may beleive this.
Especially if thier case involves mc tech being used on them as well as the druggings and the stalking/harassment. They are under remote influence at any time that may make them more suggestable than usual or anxiety ridden.
DO NOT FEEL BADLY OR LOOSE HOPE.
You have been victimized.
ORGANIZED STALKING IS THE HEIGHT OF VICTIM WITNESS INTIMIDATION. Not only are you being contained becuz of something you know
but u r being contained becuz now you know and can testify to the existence of the containment system itself.
The TI movement must be ineffective. If it were effective it would be wiped out or key members would be. It is essentially a containment area for TI's. You can meet real targets and I hope some groups DO get something done about this. I really do.
But in all the time the oldest TI's have been around there is yet to be a stop to it.
Its ineffective becuz it is an overt attempt to tangle with a system that is covert. Really that is the simple answer.
The genuine TI's are so traumatized that its almost impossible to get anything done. All the different kinds of people that are supposedly active and why is it that nothing gets done?
One has to remember that the TI community is riddled with people posing as Targets or concerned about TI issues.
I call them operatives becuz that seems to be the best term for them. How they all come together and who they specifically work for I do not know.
They are simply part of the org stalk system itself.
If a targeted individual is smart enough to ever even know they are targeted by a system that has a name and that there is info on the internet then being a citizen of the USA or Europe, supposed democracies, a TI will naturally seek out assistance through activist groups.
This leads to involvement with the gang stalking activism network or the 'TI community'.
Then they become mistrustful of other TI's due to operatives, criminal opportunists and gang stalking perps posing as TI's. Some of these people are damn convincing but one should never trust anyone unless they have been thoroughly investigated or at least your feeling or vibe about them is solid. If yer dealing with intelligence agencies or mercenary corporations that do the same work nowadays, I am sure they know how to provide legit cover for people working for them.
You would need the same system as the organized stalking system itself to know if people are who they really claim to be in the TI community.
It s ineffective becuz the perpetrators operate within a criminal enterprise. They are predators and they feel they chose thier pray carefully. Someone vulnerable, alone, uneducated, without power, singled out in a group a sacrificial lamb, expendable etc.
The system wears them down and they become like prisoners in a POW camp or brainwashing facility. This becomes the best advantage of the people who are informants, provocatuers and handlers of targets.
Think of the organized stalking system as a carnival you have been forced into-everyday you leave your home or even within it. They keep you isolated in this world. The people in the forums posing as TI's and helpfuls are the people in the shadows at that carnival.
They can be the most truly dangerous becuz they have another way to gain your vulnerability that no one else yet has had....they claim they were abducted into the carnival too.
Sadly they are just another part of it.
As far as my experience goes, some TI's are just tired and being targeted so hard they are easily swayed. There are also TI's who are resemble mind control victims and any con is going to take advantage of that.
My main complaint is that there is no policing of the TI community to keep real victims safe..that is understandable becuz when you are working with a crime that is blacked out be the media for the most part, is denied officially and seems to be supported by members of those who claim to protect us in our society you are outside the parameters.
And the tactics are endless. Good perp bad perp. People claiming to be doing us all a service by outing agents and operatives.
These people create chaos...another form of diversion and mind game.
Being a TI without resources is like being an astronomer in meidival Europe...all you can do is see as much as you can from your little vantage point on Earth and try to use math (in this case deduction) to fill in the blanks of what you cannot see.
The most infuriating thing is that alot of others seem to know what is out there...this makes your betrayers and the perps who are strangers to you-the whole system is now god to you. They like it that way I can tell.
Perps wihtin the TI system only serve to enslave the TI more.
These people could perhaps hail from old intergen 'perp' families who know that this covert system has always been so anything on the surface is joke and they know it, or they are simply criminals who know they way the world really works. They could be programmed and have no idea why they are such bastards and feel there is nothing wrong with it or simply just a-holes who are born to engage in such behaviors by nature and take up what the org stalk system offers them as benefit for thier bad behavior.
Keep in mind one thing. All genuine TI's are opressed people, thier lives have been ruined and they face death.
Also, TI's are either genuine or they are not: they are perps. End of story.
The grey area is a TI who is so new, so mind controlled and so truamatized or drugged that they make mistakes that harm other TI's or the movement.
You can only judge for yourself I only provide information that will be helpful. There is no way to tell what TI is genuine if you are without resources. For those of us that are very isolated or always around people who may be in on it, the only way to tell if people are off is through intuition, deduction or limited research resources. Some people have an external network like policeman who are helpful unofficially etc.
I question the validity of all TI's claims. How do you know exactly who it is you are dealing with on the internet? or the telephone? In person it becomes obvious faster. On the phone can be quite revealing if you know what to look for.
I was fortunate...I was so expendable, so vulnerable and so poor that the operatives, criminals and perps would just attack me on calls or in person and not care about me leaving the groups...it seemed in fact that they wanted me out of the groups as fast as possible.
I have no money to scam and I ask too many logical questions about the inconsistencies of the movement. I am very undesirable. I am physically attractive and a trauma based mind control survivor so perps have and always will try to get me to live with them or go off with them so they can use me for sex or physical labor and attempted abuse.
Why they think I'd put up with this is partially due to the smear campaign I assume.
So perps know our weaknesses and they go after whatever they feel they can take for themselves. Becuz the law is in on it and everyone else is afraid of getting targeted no one will protect us or help us so we must protect ourselves.
All TI's are slaves to this system. I beleive pedophilia, drugs, money and human experimentaion and greed are at the core of the organized stalking system. There may be other causes I do not know. But those motives are never going to be argued with.
The thing that is so bad about the system is that it seems to cover its weaknesses while exposing all of ours.
If you make claims the psychiatic community is right there waiting to label you-with out investigation. They also cover for alot of the targeting with technologies thru perscribing medications-I am talking about simple stuff like sedatives and anti depressants.
If you call the FBI they say they dont deal with organized stalking. The police I have been told, smear you within the departments if not outright as 'crazy'amongst themselves and the community. Of course-the corrupt core is part of the harassment and stalking.
Organized stalking is not officially recognized even though workplace mobbing is- and no one has made laws against workplace mobbing! (or cyber stalking)
So the real Targets are left with no way out of this mess as well as no advocacy, no protection and no recourse.
This along with the public being innocent of such practices is what drives most TI's to suicide.
I cannot think of a system that would handle this kind of corruption. Especially if the all seeing eye system that is in place now to handle true crminals is being utilized to keep TI's down...it should be used to stop the targeting of people.
The movement is ineffective becuz TI's are people who the system finds negotiable and expendable. The TI becomes traumatized is too much for TI's to deal with and without resources most TI's will not make it.
The forums are full of predators.
You cannot possibly trust other people in a system that utilizes deception this much. It's suicide in itself.
I met someone the other day and it was too convenient. I was tired to I went along but if this person is a true TI she is now a good little mc victim. They got her joined to a group, she is not focused on her own case but every conspiracy theory on the planet and she is all over the place. Classic handling of a trauma victim.
Alot of human experimentees and tbmc survivors end up in this system. It's easy for exploiters to use trauma on them to control them becuz all thier lives have been trauma. So when someone says "I beleive they are going to take all the homeless and round them up soon" a trauma survivor may beleive this.
Especially if thier case involves mc tech being used on them as well as the druggings and the stalking/harassment. They are under remote influence at any time that may make them more suggestable than usual or anxiety ridden.
DO NOT FEEL BADLY OR LOOSE HOPE.
You have been victimized.
ORGANIZED STALKING IS THE HEIGHT OF VICTIM WITNESS INTIMIDATION. Not only are you being contained becuz of something you know
but u r being contained becuz now you know and can testify to the existence of the containment system itself.
The TI movement must be ineffective. If it were effective it would be wiped out or key members would be. It is essentially a containment area for TI's. You can meet real targets and I hope some groups DO get something done about this. I really do.
But in all the time the oldest TI's have been around there is yet to be a stop to it.
Its ineffective becuz it is an overt attempt to tangle with a system that is covert. Really that is the simple answer.
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