I had this guy come up to me and say that "you know social groups doing this are alot different than the govt doin it" after describing to me one person who was now targeted who is crazy now. He said the mob did it to him becuz he was straight up competition in business.
He said that is when you really get messed up when its NOT the govt doing it.
Now I hate using terms like 'the govt' but lets say non state and state actors then.
He continued to say that social groups can get into alot of trouble for doing this to people.
There is much wondering in the TI community:
'Its the govt, its community watch groups, its vigilantes' auughghg!
Doesnt anybody know?
It is very confusing.
Especially when people say that a certain intelligence agency is the govt and others say that they are actually a private corporation.
That the CIA is an up and up agency, but there is a 'department' that is separate that did the MK ultra experiments.
Then the CIA becomes this mythical creature and conspiracy theorists run with it
some of whom are disinfo people anyway.
Then anyone who says CIA is a nutter and the very mention creates a slide in peoples minds (they stop listening). [As always you'd need documented proof or at least show cause or some reasonable deduction.]
Then becuz there is speculation among the ignorant, disinfo people can throw in all kinds of crap. The TI becomes handled via trauma and disinfo.
This is why its important to keep a TI in the dark about what is going on. It is important to keep slaves stupid.
So that is what is going on for anyone confused still. There are social groups but not always.
You'd have to judge for yourself on your own situation.
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- - FBI and COINTELPRO-Warrior Publications
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- -Freedom of Information Act (USA)-Wiki
- -Infiltrators-JUST CAUSE Law Collective
- -Informants, How to Develop-POLICE The Law Enforcement Magazine 8/1/07
- -Police Arresting & Recruiting Protestors As Informants: Where Is The Line?>Treehugger.com 5/13/09
- -Practical skepticism By Jim Norton
- -Psychotronics and gang stalking:The Potential & Reality of Abuse>Democratic Fundamentalism.org
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- -Recovery cultism ("12 step" programs)-SOS Recovery Webpage
- -Security Survival Skills; What they are, why we need them and how to implement them> An Activist's Security Handbook
- -Suspension of disbelief-Wiki
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- -The murky world of police informants- Gotham Gazette 2/08
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COINTELPRO
Healthy skepticism
In a search for Truth or doing decent detective work one must not accept things blindly. To do so would be to settle into denial..one of the major components of mind control in any situation.
Targeted Individuals are stalked, harassed, and have very little privacy.
What goes on is under the radar and above the law. Thus, to take anyone, any action or any information at face value is foolish.
One must always look for traps that handle TI's and their activism efforts, just like any other activist. Control tactics such as handling, containment, and gurus are common. Disinformation (bad info purposefully put into circulation) fosters confusion and diversion just as misinformation (bad info put into circulation by mistake) fosters ignorance.
In 0rder to know the truth about anything or anyone under these circumstances one would need to have the same capacity for intel collection that the other side has. This would be impossible for mere individuals, so TI's must remember they are always at a disadvantage.
The fact that the perpetrators want results as well as to
avoid any and all public out cry means silencing of victim-witnesses continuously.
Being targeted is nothing more than the management of victims. The TI's marginalization is a calculated and carefully crafted outcome caused by the systematic destruction of the person via organized stalking and harassment.
This is why it is so easy to purport cons onto the TI community. We continue to hope, even though we are marginalized and enslaved. Hope and trust can be open doors for the system to fool us. Then we comply willfully with handlers, false hope and con artists.
I am never suggesting give up becuz people can't argue with the cold hard truth becuz you are not wrong. They support an unjust system..they are wrong. The very fact that law enforcement and others who are supposed to protect people are in on this on the side of the perps in such large numbers at times (firemen, union workers) must let you know that you have slim chances in the usual channels or seeking justice.
The harassment of a TI by firemen, cops and most union workers is akin to a strike or picket to let the public know they are not happy..its a warning. 'Dont mess w/ us or make us unhappy or get in our way'. This is why these kinds of people are used against Targets regularly. It lets the TI know they are powerless against getting any justice for themselves and it warns the public against possible interference.
This is why one must be careful when dealing with info as well as networking and advocacy/activism. You never know where info really hails from, if it's useful to a TI or really to the perps.
Same goes for anyone your networking with or any advocacy groups or efforts.
What TI's dont mention often is that the information war has been on for years. The trust I see among the TI community is foolhardy and leads to ongoing incidents and containment.
All actions and info must be analyzed in a sensible manner in war and this is a war. One need not be violent but motivated. Perps comment on my 'stubbornness' and not wanting to accept my situation..that tells me that these are their arrogant ways of looking at the actions of one they consider a lifetime slave not a legit enemy in war. Those attitudes in themselves are tactics...they are hoping you will internalize them and see yourself as oppressed rather than at war.
An oppressed person is a controlled person-a person at war believes in his cause in his lion heart and has a chance of winning with HIS flag once again flying on his empire-not the enemy's.
The organized stalking perps and the factions of society that support or complies w/their actions hope you will see them as: 'The System', the overlords, the slave masters, the Powers that Be, oppressors, owners, righteous social norms, gods, working for or associated w/ 'God', unbeatable, undeniable and ultimately unbeatable. The worst is when they intimate that your demise is the choice of and to benefit-the majority. This is the middle ground and if none of that works in the brainwashing machine then they will start to go over to foster the martyr mentality that: you are so good that you can handle it, your sacrifice is needed, you hold humanity together by being silent, that you are 'special' and needed for their purposes, that you are providing for friends and family by going along w/the situation, that you are atoning for sins, that society needs the results of the experimentation to benefit the many, that being a victim is no big deal.
When the martyr area no longer contains you and the intimidation doesn't work on you and ultimately you refuse to accept the majority voted in your death..then you will be in the right head space to fight the enemy.
And part of fighting effectively is to not fall into false hope or trust. This is your responsibility to yourself and fellow TI's who also suffer; this is taking care of yourself.
To trust in things that only end up prolonging the suffering is a desperate act and understandable.
But never forget that your enemies and the people who support your settling for much less in life-even death, never sleep and the game is always going.
If they break you down enough then perps will start to handle you opposed to harassing you. A welcome relief to a TI who has been through hell. But this is still warfare and them converting you to their way of thinking after such injustice IS death of the spirit and the self. Don't think that it could be worse..becuz it couldn't. Besides, I learned something in a 12 step once to avoid mind control and diversions: Don't Compare. What is worse than your situation?..nothing-FOR YOU, THE VICTIM.
More attempted mind control..mere minimization.
Use caution w/people who want to help, the info that claims to be genuine and helpful and the groups networking and doing advocacy...I didn't say REJECT I said USE CAUTION and follow reason and logic. Nothing in our world is truly allowed to exist if it's damaging to the status quo. Realize how very realistic that is and you will have your starting point. That is why there is a media blackout and all TI's are either threatened with a label or offered one as an easy way out. It's another convenient spot to place the TI in...much like a little cubby on a wall and we are mere toy dolls.
To get to the truth or have people accept the truth is not easy. Alot of what is happening to us will only be accepted in the future after the affects of tech of this kind is common place. The worst thing that could happen is historical containment, which would be mere whispers by people in the future who talk of how what is common tech today(in future) was gotten by means of illegal human experimentation and torture. Most people know that the clothes they are wearing were made in sweat shops but they rarely make a comparison to child labor as is unlawful now in this country. Out of sight out of mind is powerful in managing the public and it is exactly what is used on targets every minute of the day.
If you want to be comfortable and do the least effort, if you can afford that-great! The TI community needs ANY effort. But if you live to get to the truth, if you are fighting to preserve your true self and the timeline that should have been...a life you should have had, if you are on the front lines and cannot afford to believe in falsehoods for one false move could be the end of you...if you know that if you accept their falsely altered reality of your life, and an altered false version of who you really are and your full potential never to be reached or even acknowledged-if you know that being handled would lead to your suicide in the end, I would not accept anything less than full disclosure and a demand for the truth to be put into the public eye.
Realize that conventional means will not work on these issues. The TI community has shown itself to be so full of damaged people that often someone well meaning in pointing out an inconsistency is deemed part of the enemy faction. I believe some people are even set up after a long haul of working in a group to appear part of the enemy faction.
What I see is that the destruction of TI's gets more sophisticated and subtle as you go up levels. Once the perps realize you are intelligent and will not quit, efforts to destroy u that were brutish and overt will slowly become more akin to handling and containing.
You are going to be lulled into jumping off the cliff instead of forced...even set up to trip and fall . Its the same end result.
Perps want results. If they cannot get any form of compliance
with the system of handling a target they will settle for keeping the TI down, having everyone ignore them as much as possible and hoping they 'go away'-another tactic to induce suicide.
I hope this site helps you wade through the other more subtle forms of warfare on you as target. Whats black changes to grey on a certain degree and becomes white. Foes try to become friends and other TI's may turn hostile. Just remember your main objective...the truth. Picture it as a pillar. No human attitude, emotion or intervention can alter it. It stands, alone by itself, it IS. It does not change. You may change your attitudes towards what has happened to you, others may rewrite the history of it hoping you'll fall in line, you may even fall into denial and say 'I am mentally ill" or 'I imagined it all--how could all that have happened?'. Still the pillar is not changed. You viewing it has. The angle with which you view it. The facts and the truth cannot be altered.
Only human perceptions can be..'managed' and organized stalking seeks to do just that every day.
You are being worn down, driven crazy and given little options or a way out. All that is asked of you is to accept your bit on the world stage as human vegetable..after all they have done to you. You will forget who you are and who you were trying to become.
But the final revenge comes in the Truth. It is your right to advocate for who you are and I feel an obligation to the truth. To believe in the beauty of the Truth. If people seem untruthful then you are on the wrong track. TI's go thru so much abuse and an alteration occurs. There is no guarantee that you will ever be able to recover or that you will have a future. Make sure that you keep minding this task and make people in the future, who are existing in it now as we speak, see they have a proper and true account of what really transpired and that will be your life. You will exist then, you will be loved, validated and cared for. Time and space are no hindrance to the truth...though the perps try to build things to hide it or crush it's existence with deception. Forget 'now'.
The perps have already taken time from most TI's that they can never get back. Health, youth, looks, opportunities. For some they will never again be able to feel emotions normally or engage with other human beings. So strong is the power of the perps burning hatred and the fear of normal humans toward a Target, and the denial of you and the reality of your situation seals in those poisons, basically all TI's have been burned to death already. Alot of TI's describe the use of tech on them as a burning sensation...but the worst sort of burning is harmful emotional energies that hit us -hate and fear. It's interesting but in a way these human emotions resemble the energies targeting us from tech. There is evidence of the weapons and technologies so we know it is electromagnetic and microwave based.
This blog was created to stress how even though we deal w/perps everyday, we still have to realize that there is no safe place and people will try to fool us in any way they can. I write this blog to give u my thoughts and experiences on trying to get somewhere safely. People are allegedly commiting suicide and having 'accidents' in the good ol style. So this blog is to point out things in the TI community and its info that may not make sense. It is essentially still a sub culture and w/that there is alot of myth, lore and mis information. Humans survive anyway they can and the TI community is about survival.
Targeted Individuals are stalked, harassed, and have very little privacy.
What goes on is under the radar and above the law. Thus, to take anyone, any action or any information at face value is foolish.
One must always look for traps that handle TI's and their activism efforts, just like any other activist. Control tactics such as handling, containment, and gurus are common. Disinformation (bad info purposefully put into circulation) fosters confusion and diversion just as misinformation (bad info put into circulation by mistake) fosters ignorance.
In 0rder to know the truth about anything or anyone under these circumstances one would need to have the same capacity for intel collection that the other side has. This would be impossible for mere individuals, so TI's must remember they are always at a disadvantage.
The fact that the perpetrators want results as well as to
avoid any and all public out cry means silencing of victim-witnesses continuously.
Being targeted is nothing more than the management of victims. The TI's marginalization is a calculated and carefully crafted outcome caused by the systematic destruction of the person via organized stalking and harassment.
This is why it is so easy to purport cons onto the TI community. We continue to hope, even though we are marginalized and enslaved. Hope and trust can be open doors for the system to fool us. Then we comply willfully with handlers, false hope and con artists.
I am never suggesting give up becuz people can't argue with the cold hard truth becuz you are not wrong. They support an unjust system..they are wrong. The very fact that law enforcement and others who are supposed to protect people are in on this on the side of the perps in such large numbers at times (firemen, union workers) must let you know that you have slim chances in the usual channels or seeking justice.
The harassment of a TI by firemen, cops and most union workers is akin to a strike or picket to let the public know they are not happy..its a warning. 'Dont mess w/ us or make us unhappy or get in our way'. This is why these kinds of people are used against Targets regularly. It lets the TI know they are powerless against getting any justice for themselves and it warns the public against possible interference.
This is why one must be careful when dealing with info as well as networking and advocacy/activism. You never know where info really hails from, if it's useful to a TI or really to the perps.
Same goes for anyone your networking with or any advocacy groups or efforts.
What TI's dont mention often is that the information war has been on for years. The trust I see among the TI community is foolhardy and leads to ongoing incidents and containment.
All actions and info must be analyzed in a sensible manner in war and this is a war. One need not be violent but motivated. Perps comment on my 'stubbornness' and not wanting to accept my situation..that tells me that these are their arrogant ways of looking at the actions of one they consider a lifetime slave not a legit enemy in war. Those attitudes in themselves are tactics...they are hoping you will internalize them and see yourself as oppressed rather than at war.
An oppressed person is a controlled person-a person at war believes in his cause in his lion heart and has a chance of winning with HIS flag once again flying on his empire-not the enemy's.
The organized stalking perps and the factions of society that support or complies w/their actions hope you will see them as: 'The System', the overlords, the slave masters, the Powers that Be, oppressors, owners, righteous social norms, gods, working for or associated w/ 'God', unbeatable, undeniable and ultimately unbeatable. The worst is when they intimate that your demise is the choice of and to benefit-the majority. This is the middle ground and if none of that works in the brainwashing machine then they will start to go over to foster the martyr mentality that: you are so good that you can handle it, your sacrifice is needed, you hold humanity together by being silent, that you are 'special' and needed for their purposes, that you are providing for friends and family by going along w/the situation, that you are atoning for sins, that society needs the results of the experimentation to benefit the many, that being a victim is no big deal.
When the martyr area no longer contains you and the intimidation doesn't work on you and ultimately you refuse to accept the majority voted in your death..then you will be in the right head space to fight the enemy.
And part of fighting effectively is to not fall into false hope or trust. This is your responsibility to yourself and fellow TI's who also suffer; this is taking care of yourself.
To trust in things that only end up prolonging the suffering is a desperate act and understandable.
But never forget that your enemies and the people who support your settling for much less in life-even death, never sleep and the game is always going.
If they break you down enough then perps will start to handle you opposed to harassing you. A welcome relief to a TI who has been through hell. But this is still warfare and them converting you to their way of thinking after such injustice IS death of the spirit and the self. Don't think that it could be worse..becuz it couldn't. Besides, I learned something in a 12 step once to avoid mind control and diversions: Don't Compare. What is worse than your situation?..nothing-FOR YOU, THE VICTIM.
More attempted mind control..mere minimization.
Use caution w/people who want to help, the info that claims to be genuine and helpful and the groups networking and doing advocacy...I didn't say REJECT I said USE CAUTION and follow reason and logic. Nothing in our world is truly allowed to exist if it's damaging to the status quo. Realize how very realistic that is and you will have your starting point. That is why there is a media blackout and all TI's are either threatened with a label or offered one as an easy way out. It's another convenient spot to place the TI in...much like a little cubby on a wall and we are mere toy dolls.
To get to the truth or have people accept the truth is not easy. Alot of what is happening to us will only be accepted in the future after the affects of tech of this kind is common place. The worst thing that could happen is historical containment, which would be mere whispers by people in the future who talk of how what is common tech today(in future) was gotten by means of illegal human experimentation and torture. Most people know that the clothes they are wearing were made in sweat shops but they rarely make a comparison to child labor as is unlawful now in this country. Out of sight out of mind is powerful in managing the public and it is exactly what is used on targets every minute of the day.
If you want to be comfortable and do the least effort, if you can afford that-great! The TI community needs ANY effort. But if you live to get to the truth, if you are fighting to preserve your true self and the timeline that should have been...a life you should have had, if you are on the front lines and cannot afford to believe in falsehoods for one false move could be the end of you...if you know that if you accept their falsely altered reality of your life, and an altered false version of who you really are and your full potential never to be reached or even acknowledged-if you know that being handled would lead to your suicide in the end, I would not accept anything less than full disclosure and a demand for the truth to be put into the public eye.
Realize that conventional means will not work on these issues. The TI community has shown itself to be so full of damaged people that often someone well meaning in pointing out an inconsistency is deemed part of the enemy faction. I believe some people are even set up after a long haul of working in a group to appear part of the enemy faction.
What I see is that the destruction of TI's gets more sophisticated and subtle as you go up levels. Once the perps realize you are intelligent and will not quit, efforts to destroy u that were brutish and overt will slowly become more akin to handling and containing.
You are going to be lulled into jumping off the cliff instead of forced...even set up to trip and fall . Its the same end result.
Perps want results. If they cannot get any form of compliance
with the system of handling a target they will settle for keeping the TI down, having everyone ignore them as much as possible and hoping they 'go away'-another tactic to induce suicide.
I hope this site helps you wade through the other more subtle forms of warfare on you as target. Whats black changes to grey on a certain degree and becomes white. Foes try to become friends and other TI's may turn hostile. Just remember your main objective...the truth. Picture it as a pillar. No human attitude, emotion or intervention can alter it. It stands, alone by itself, it IS. It does not change. You may change your attitudes towards what has happened to you, others may rewrite the history of it hoping you'll fall in line, you may even fall into denial and say 'I am mentally ill" or 'I imagined it all--how could all that have happened?'. Still the pillar is not changed. You viewing it has. The angle with which you view it. The facts and the truth cannot be altered.
Only human perceptions can be..'managed' and organized stalking seeks to do just that every day.
You are being worn down, driven crazy and given little options or a way out. All that is asked of you is to accept your bit on the world stage as human vegetable..after all they have done to you. You will forget who you are and who you were trying to become.
But the final revenge comes in the Truth. It is your right to advocate for who you are and I feel an obligation to the truth. To believe in the beauty of the Truth. If people seem untruthful then you are on the wrong track. TI's go thru so much abuse and an alteration occurs. There is no guarantee that you will ever be able to recover or that you will have a future. Make sure that you keep minding this task and make people in the future, who are existing in it now as we speak, see they have a proper and true account of what really transpired and that will be your life. You will exist then, you will be loved, validated and cared for. Time and space are no hindrance to the truth...though the perps try to build things to hide it or crush it's existence with deception. Forget 'now'.
The perps have already taken time from most TI's that they can never get back. Health, youth, looks, opportunities. For some they will never again be able to feel emotions normally or engage with other human beings. So strong is the power of the perps burning hatred and the fear of normal humans toward a Target, and the denial of you and the reality of your situation seals in those poisons, basically all TI's have been burned to death already. Alot of TI's describe the use of tech on them as a burning sensation...but the worst sort of burning is harmful emotional energies that hit us -hate and fear. It's interesting but in a way these human emotions resemble the energies targeting us from tech. There is evidence of the weapons and technologies so we know it is electromagnetic and microwave based.
This blog was created to stress how even though we deal w/perps everyday, we still have to realize that there is no safe place and people will try to fool us in any way they can. I write this blog to give u my thoughts and experiences on trying to get somewhere safely. People are allegedly commiting suicide and having 'accidents' in the good ol style. So this blog is to point out things in the TI community and its info that may not make sense. It is essentially still a sub culture and w/that there is alot of myth, lore and mis information. Humans survive anyway they can and the TI community is about survival.